In my previous post, below, I argued that Sunzi would oppose torture, especially the kind of systematic torture regime of the latter Bush administration.  But the more I think about it, the more a certain question hangs in the air: why?  What  are the reasons for Sunzi's aversion to torture?  Thus far, I have suggested only one, but, the more I think about it, the more I realize there is a second as well.

The first, and most obvious, reason is instrumental.  The most direct statement by Sunzi on the topic in 2.19, "Treat captives well and care for them," is preceded by this passage (2.18):

Therefore, when in chariot fighting more than ten chariots are captured, reward those who take the first.  Replace the enemy's flags and banners with your own, mix the captured chariots with yours, and mount them.

This suggests that prisoners are a kind of materiel, similar to chariots, that can potentially be turned to serve against their previous army.  If we treat them well, we are more likely to be able to put them to our own use.  If we abuse them, they will hate us and not want to work for us.  The next passage in the text, 2.20, clinches this idea: "This is called 'winning a battle and becoming stronger'."

This, to my mind, is rather weak as a moral argument.  The only restriction on torture is the self-interest of the party who holds the captive.  If we do not need prisoners to work for us, what then?  If our victory is assured, is there really no constraint on how we treat captives?  Without further theorizing, Sunzi's thought might be impotent to prevent torture.

But there is further theorizing, at least I think there is.  And it lies in Sunzi's notions of a good ruler and commander.  Although I would hesitate to call him a "Confucian," since war-making is not central to the Confucian moral project, he does draw upon Confucian notions of leadership.  In chapter one, he describes the "five fundamental factors" for success in war: "moral influence" (this is how Griffith translates "Dao," which could be problematic), weather, terrain, command, and doctrine.  He goes on to provide more specific definitions of each, and when he gets to "command" he writes (Griffith, 1.7):

By command I mean the general's qualities of wisdom, sincerity, humanity, courage and strictness. 

將者,智,信,仁,勇,嚴也

And a commentator adds:

If humane, he loves mankind, sympathizes with others, and appreciates industry and toil.

Lots of Confucian resonances there.  You can almost hear Mencius saying that we all have hearts that cannot bear to see others suffer.  Interestingly, when discussing the use of spies, which as we mentioned in the last post might sometimes require the killing of an agent who prematurely divulges important intelligence, Sunzi points out (13.13):

He who is not sage and wise, humane and just, cannot use secret agents.  And he who is not delicate and subtle cannot get the truth out of them.

非聖智不能用間,非仁義不能使間,非微妙不能得間之實

It is the occurrence of "humane/humanity" – 仁 – that suggests a deeper moral theory at work.  Sunzi is clearly suggesting that a commander should be humane, he should be engaged constantly in the cultivation of a virtuous character and should attend to doing the right thing, in terms of humaneness, in everything that he does.  Obviously, a military commander is in a tough position, having to give orders to kill and die.  And those orders should not be taken lightly.  Killing should happen, presumably, only when it must, to secure victory and preserve the state.

As such, a commander should not want to engage in toruture, or be responsible for torturing, because it obviously inflicts pain and suffering on another person in an inhumane manner.  And gentlemen just don't do that.  To do so lessens the humanity of the torturer as well as the victim.

We might ask if, in a "ticking time bomb," situation Sunzi's intrumentalism might overwhelm his humanity.  There is nothing in the text to suggest that it would. And that tells me that Sunzi would reject a policy of torture.  He would have torn up John Yoo's infamous memos.


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4 responses to “More on Sunzi, Torture, and Political Leadership”

  1. Ivan Avatar
    Ivan

    I was tortured for almost 3 years by the FBI and their friends only
    because 85 years old man, Roland Sibens(chicago) convinced them that I
    am a terrorist. I was tortured for working on my prosthetic legs in
    the basement. I done absolutely nothing illegal or wrong. They thought
    that in theory it is possible to hide bomb in them. They saw an
    opportunity to get famous, so they were trying to torture me till I
    sign their insane story. They tortured me using more than 100
    different torturing methods and trust to me waterboarding is not how
    they torture nowadays. I dont know where to find justice.
    I think that after 9/11 things got out of control. Freedom fighters
    became tyrants. In 1945, most Germans had an opportunity to learn about Nazis death
    camps. I hope that one day American citizens will get chance to learn about people
    like me, who were tortured with no reason for years.

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  2. Joseph Lemien Avatar

    Hi Sam,
    I’ve followed your blog for about two years now, but these past two points on Sunzi and torture are some of the best that I’ve seen. I enjoyed them a lot. I hope that you continue to write for a long time in the future, because I love reading what you post here. Thank you so much for writing intelligent and articulate thoughts connected to the ancient minds.

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  3. Khatzumoto Avatar

    Great blog post.
    Typo: “he who is delicate and subtle cannot get the truth out of them.”
    非微妙不能得間之實
    You no doubt meant:
    “he who is NOT delicate…”
    微妙…
    Also, less importantly: materiel –> material
    Keep up the good work 🙂

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  4. Sam Avatar

    Khatzumoto,
    Yikes! Thanks for the catch. Fixed…

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