I noticed this paragraph, in a blog post by Christopher Orr at TNR (HT Sullivan):

The humane treatment of surrendered captives, therefore, is a crucial–arguably the crucial–understanding
between adversaries if their conflict is to end in any way other than
with the wholesale slaughter of the losers. It's worth noting, too,
that it is not merely the lives of the losers that are preserved. If
they do not surrender, it may be that they are all killed; but it is
very likely that, in the process, they will also kill some, perhaps
even many, of the eventual victors.

And that is pretty much what Sun Tzu (II.19,20) says:

Treat the captives well, and care for them

This is called "winning a battle and becoming stronger."

And just for emphasis, one ancient Chinese commentator on this passage, Chang Yu, adds:

All the soldiers taken must be cared for with magnanimity and sincerity so that they may be used by us.

You can't gain good intelligence from captives if you brutalize and torture them.  Too bad Bush and Cheney failed to heed Sun Tzu…

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2 responses to “That’s What Sun Tzu Said”

  1. SteveGW Avatar
    SteveGW

    I understand that the current state of that controversy is that Cheney, at least, is calling for the rest of the memos to be released, which would show that good intelligence was indeed gained by those harsh techniques – possibly saving many lives. If that turned out to be the case, would you then accept the utilitarian argument for torture? My guess is that you wouldn’t.
    The interesting question though is whether there are the resources in pre-modern Chinese philosophy to support your moral preference. Are there, in fact, any arguments against torture in Chinese philosophy that aren’t basically utilitarian? If there aren’t, then could there have been? In Western philosophy our arguments are usually from appeal to various notions of ‘human rights’, but that wouldn’t be possible for the Chinese sages. Other arguments are from the harm done to the character of the torturers: i.e. you don’t want to be the sort of person who does that, so it’s morally impermissible for you to do so. Is it posssible to run such an argument in the Chinese context? Has it ever been done?
    As an aside, the mention of ‘soldiers’ in the Chang Yu quote made me think of the ‘Rectification of Names’ controversy concerning whether the detainees in Guantanamo, say, are ‘Prisoners of War’ or just prisoners taken during a war. If they are ‘Prisoners of War’ then one kind of treatment was said to be mandated by International li. If they are just unlawful combatants detained on the battlefield then another was appropriate. The same would be true with ‘soldiers’. I have heard it said that “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.”

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  2. gmoke Avatar

    “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.”
    That’s George Orwell, right?

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