My posts of late are tending in a rather more philosophical, as opposed to topical, direction.  That is an occupational hazard of teaching Chinese philosophy, I guess.  But I have a rather big Chinese philosophical question to pose: is Dao the sum of all De?

As background, Peony and Manyul have been discussing interpretations of the concept "De."  I tend to like a translation "Integrity," but there are other, overlapping meanings: "Virtue," "Power," "Potency," "Efficacy."  I will say up front that I tend to be influenced more by Daoist understandings of these concepts.  Also, I am open to the Hall and Ames discussion of "De."  Here is a bit of what they have to say about it (taken from their entry, "De," from the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy – not sure if everyone will be able to connect through the link without a library subscription):  

In the Daoist literature, de denotes the particular as a focus of potency in this process conception of existence. De is any particular disposition of the totality. The Daodejing – literally, the classic of dao and de – states: ‘The great dao is so expansive. It reaches in all directions. All of individuated existence arises because of it’ (Daodejing 34) (see Daodejing).

When de is cultivated and accumulated, so that the particular is integrated utterly with its environments, the distinction between dao and de – between field and focus – collapses. De as an individuating notion is transformed into de as an integrating notion. The Daodejing 28 observes: ‘One who possesses de
in abundance is comparable to a new-born babe’. In this literature,
both Daoist and Confucian, the infant, the uncarved block and the
exemplary person are all metaphors for a condition in which one does
not distinguish oneself from one’s environments. These metaphors
illustrate the assumption that any particular, when viewed in terms of
its intrinsic relatedness, entails the full process of existence. Such
being the case, because the babe is a matrix through which the full
consequence of undiscriminated existence can be brought to focus and
experienced, it can be used as a metaphor for the
de which is dao.

There's a lot in there, but it can, I believe, be boiled down to this: De is the particular.  Each individual thing has its own particular quality and existence.  And a thing realizes the virtue and power of its existence when it allows (or is allowed) to follow the natural development and unfolding of its unique character, its De.   I have long taken this passage from Zhuang Zi as a definition of De:

So
the real is originally there in things, and the sufficient is
originally there in things.  There's nothing that is not real, and
nothing that is not sufficient

Hence,
the blade of grass and the pillar, the leper and the ravishing
[beauty], the noble the sniveling, the disingenuous, the strange – in
Tao they all move as one and the same.  In difference is the whole; in
wholeness is the broken.  Once they are neither whole nor broken, all
things move freely as one and the same again…
(23)

The understanding of De as the particular, unique existence of each thing in Dao (Tao, or "Way," which here means the totality and interactive process of all things together now) allows us some understanding of the Daoist notion that each individual thing, De, in Dao is an expression of the totality of Dao.  Dao can be apprehended in the immediate, in the particular, as passage 47 of the Daodejing suggests:

You can know all beneath heaven though you never step out the door, and you can see the Way of heaven though you never look out the window. 

The further you explore, the less you know.

so it is that a sage knows by going nowhere, names by seeing nothing, perfects by doing nothing.

Perhaps that is why Zhuang Zi tells us to "dwell in the ordinary." 

In any event, if we take "De" as a focus on the particular, and the Integrity inherent in each particular thing as is moves to express its unique character, it leads to my question: is, then, Dao the sum of all De? 

I think there is a case to be made for understanding Dao as the sum of all De.  It would suggest that the unity of Dao is a matter of coincidence: Dao is unified in the sense that it includes everything (being and nonbeing); all things are coincident in Dao.  This understanding also opens us to the vastness of Dao and its inclusiveness.  There is no "outside" of Dao.  And in that inclusiveness we learn something more about De: it is not "virtue" in the sense of consistent moral goodness.  There are things with De that are evil or bad.  Evil and bad are within Dao.  And evil or bad De is "virtuous" in the sense that its evilness or badness is expressed in Dao.  Nivison hints at this possibility in his definition of De in the Encyclopedia of Chinese Philosophy (no link to content available):

…it [De] is a key term in ancient moral philosophy (perhaps "virtue"), political thought (the prestige of an important person or the staying power of a dynasty), and even metaphysics (the specific efficacious character, good or bad, of a person, class, or type of thing).

It's that last, metaphysical definition I am following here.

I know this is opening up a discussion of the meaning of Dao but, what the heck, it's a cold February day here – it just started snowing again – so why not warm ourselves with what could be an endless conversation about the the biggest of all questions: the meaning of Dao.

Thus, dear readers, I put it to you: is Dao the sum of all De?

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  1. casey kochmer Avatar

    To your question: is Dao the sum of all De?
    Since Dao is undefinable, by definition the question is not pose-able in the fashion you ask. Since to be undefinable you cannot summarize all of De to be Dao
    It is neither yes nor no for an answer
    For instance: Is color a paintbrush?
    Where the paintbrush might create apply color but it doesn’t define a color until used… which then is meaningless as the artist splashes more colors on to page to change it into a painting to fade away in memory 🙂 ever changing and not definable except in the experience…
    IN other words De would be the human paint brush to create a mosaic of our actions which then creates our personal Tao and each of our personal Tao’s roll up into Tao as the human version summery of Tao.. So then it seemingly answers your question of yes… yet still the Tao remains undefined so nope it still isn’t Tao. But in the end neither yes nor no…
    🙂 You have to just release into the Tao at the end rather than summarize ones way to being Tao…
    🙂 great post Sam
    me

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  2. Leanne Ogasawara Avatar

    Hi Sam,
    It’s cold here as well (freezing northern wind). I responded to you over at my place but building on that response, I wonder this: if we agree that de is a maifestation of dao (not as an individual de though but just as a manifestation dependent on that moment) then yes, I think the sum total of all de is equal to the dao at that point in time. As the quote has it, it’s not an individual instance, however. Hence my issue with Integrity or too much focus on this “inner aspect”….

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  3. Bao Pu Avatar

    Hello Sam,
    First of all, you may have read somewhere that I’ve been working on an essay on De (for years). In addition to cataloguing most of the places it is used in oracle-bones, bronze inscriptions and the pre-Han literature I’ve also read and gathered what over a 110 “scholars” have had to say about it. And I must say, Hall & Ames, who have had alot to say about De, are among those who make the least amount of sense to me. This focus-field analogy they have raises more question I think than it answers. There’s a number of meanings for De in the ancient literature, so one single definition simply won’t do. In fact, Ames translates De excellence, potency, efficacy, character, bounty, gratitude and perhaps more. In the Laozi, Ames most often translates De as “character,” I have concluded this is one of the best translations. I think when they start talking of “the particular” or “the focus” they are making it too complicated.
    Is Dao the sum of all De? I think in one sense it could be seen as that. But, chapter 25 of the Laozi says that what the author calls Dao existed prior to the universe (with all of its particulars), so in this sense its not really appropriate. There’s also a passage in Zhuangzi 6 that says Dao is prior to the universe (Heaven and Earth).
    There are numerous examples in the classical literature where De has a negative adjective, resulting in “bad De,” but there are none in the Laozi. In the Laozi, De never has this connotation, so I suggest we take that into account. De is something all beings esteem (chapter 51).
    Good health and happiness,
    抱樸

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  4. Allan Lian Avatar

    According to Laozi, Tao is eternal, probably existing even before Heaven and Earth. With the fall from Tao, De came to be valued.
    A few hundred years later, Mencius taught that De or virtue(s) is inherent in humans and the reason why every human (baby) is born good.
    Aware that people have forgotten about De, the ancient sages exhorted rulers to cultivate the cardinal virtues just like the ancient exemplary kings of old. (De or virtue was first mentioned in the oldest existing record, the Book of History.) Hoping that not only would these rulers can be kind and just to the people; they could also lead by example.
    With the cultivation of De, according to Confucius and his students – refer analects, the great learning, and the doctrine of the mean – after rectifying the heart/mind, people can also achieve centered harmony (or the middle path).
    Much later, the eminent (so called) Neo Daoists and Confucians, like Chen Tuan and Zhou Dun I, cannot help but agree. Based on their Yijing studies and probable cultivation of Tao and De, they came up with the Wujitu and the Taijitu.
    The truths remain there in the Yi down the ages for earnest and sincere students to discover, just like the ancient sages did.
    With the dual cultivation of Tao and De; Daoist, Confucian or Buddhist cultivators can possibly reach the Center (later known as the Taiji) where heaven and earth is said to exist. Perhaps only upon reaching the center can we say that Tao is the sum of all De, since De could have merged with Tao, then. But how would I know?

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  5. Sam Crane Avatar

    Thanks all for the good comments.
    Bao Pu,
    I would love to see that essay of yours. I agree that there is a surplus of meaning of De. And even if the field/focus thing veers off too much into process philosophy, I think there is still something to say about the “particular” aspect of De. I’m thinking of this statement by Zhang Dainian (in his Key Concepts of Chinese Philosophy), p. 342:
    “…In these Daoist works the Way stands for the universal nature common to all things whereas power [de] is the specific identity of each object by which it differs from all other things.”

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  6. Bao Pu Avatar

    Hi Sam,
    When I finish the damn thing I’ll share it with you to get some feedback. Regarding Zhang Dainian, I’ve found some examples where De seems to be a unique quality of all individuals. But these are few and far between. On the previous page he mentions that De is the power of the Dao, which seems to have more support, especially in the Laozi. Do you know of some examples in the Laozi where De points to a unique power of each individual? I’ve noticed the Laozi authors seem to avoid attributing De to individuals (like the sage, the ruler, the gentleman, one’s ancestors) and rather speak of De as a reified “thing,” abstracted from individuals. The closest we get is “one with De” (and “one without De”), which shows that not all people have De. But mostly it just mentions De alone.
    Good health and happiness,
    抱樸 (Scott)

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  7. Daren K. Wong Avatar

    I don’t think there is an answer to this question because there are no consistent meanings of dao and de in Chinese philosophy. In fact, it might be said that each line of Chinese philosophical thought aims to distinguish its meaning of dao and de from the others.
    For example, it is well-known that the meanings of dao and de in the Laozi are fundamentally different than those in the Lunyu. Specially, the first chapter of the Dejing, Laozi chapter 38, is about the Laozi’s objections to the dao of the Ru which when practiced are virtues, including ren (benevolence or humanity), yi (righteousness), and li (propriety or rites). Ellen M. Chen (Tao Te Ching: A New Translation with Commentary) describes Laozi chapter 38 an “anti-Confucian polemic” because the Laozi declares that the Ru with only ren, yi, and li, both the Dao and de are lost, though it seems ren can achieve de when it becomes spontaneous through wu wei:
    “Therefore when Dao is lost, then there is de.
    “When de is lost, then there is ren.
    “When ren is lost, then there is yi.
    “When yi is lost, then there is li.
    “As to li, it is the thin edge of loyalty and faithfullness,
    “And the beginning of disorder;
    “As to foreknowledge, it is the flowering of Tao,
    “And the beginning of stupidity.”
    (The last two lines, seem to be the Laozi’s objection to the Ru’s fascination with divination.)
    Maybe the philosophical question might be posed differently: “Within any line of Chinese philosophical thought, is Dao the sum of all De?” I’m not an expert in Chinese philosophy, so I don’t know whether this is a meaningful question. I hope this helps.
    Daren

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