I have just finished grading final exams for my Chinese politics class.  One question asked students to compare and contrast Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping.  Most answers emphasized the differences but some telling similarities were noted.  So, events like the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution are in my mind today, and they lurk in the background as I read the news of the aftermath of the terrible Sichuan earthquake.  That is what has led to today's blog idea: Wen Jiabao is better than Mao Zedong.

     I will not go overboard with the praise for Wen's handling of the earthquake tragedy.  He has certainly done a good job in rallying people to respond to the crisis and he has shown a genuinely caring attitude and heart.  I will wait, however, before I become one of his supporters on Facebook.  Let's see how he, and the Party, deal with the longer-term issues of why school buildings performed so badly, and whether the relative openness of the media coverage continues (it seems not), and how re-building proceeds in coming months and years.  I will give Wen this much, however (much to the delight of my Chinese nationalist friends) he has proven to be a more effective leader in a crisis situation than George W. Bush – but, then again, that's not saying much...

     The larger, and to me more interesting, comparison is that between Wen and Mao.   What would Mao have done under the circumstances of the Sichuan earthquake?  It is, of course, impossible to know.  But let's consider how he actually responded when confronted with the emerging disaster of the Great Leap Forward in 1959.  Instead of accepting that his ideology had created famine and starvation, he resisted reality and fought back politically, sacking the man who dared stand up to him, Defense Minister Peng Dehuai.  The lives of millions of people mattered less to him than his own ideological "correctness" and his own political position.  It took two more horrible years after the Lushan Plenum in 1959 before the country could begin to drag itself up from the man-made horror of the Great Leap.  Some leaders, most notably Deng, recognized what had happened and they embraced a more pragmatic orientation to avoid such calamities in the future.  But not Mao.  He attacked again, in 1966, against the pragmatists, fomenting the Cultural Revolution and casting the country into ten years of political chaos. 

     One conclusion to draw from this sorry history is that Mao did not "serve the people," as the famous slogan has it.  He served himself and his ideology, much to the people's harm.

     Wen is not like this.  His presence in the quake zone has communicated his commitment to responding to the immediate needs of the people there.  Yes, it is a propaganda coup for the central government, but that does not mean that Wen is not genuinely involved and moved by the disaster.  He obviously is.  The pictures of him next to the destroyed school, crouching down and peering into a pit where child victims lay, are truly heart-rending.  I'm sure his heart was rent.   And his being there put pressure on local officials to attend to the rescue and recovery work.   He has done a good job.

      Wen's truer enactment of "serve the people" makes sense in the context of post-Mao China (or should we, at this point, be saying post-post-Mao China?).  The regime's legitimacy has shifted away from ideologyl to performance, away from Marxist rationalizations to the delivery of a better standard of living.  Indeed, I would call it "Mencian legitimacy," after the sensibility of Mencius, who continually demanded of rulers that they attend to the needs of the people.  Ironically, "serve the people," captures the Mencian spirit. 

     Wen, in particular, has presented himself as a man of the people, a leader who cares for the poor and powerless.  It was he who went to a train station in January, during the snow crisis, to publicly apologize.  He plays the role of a modern Mencian well.

   Mencian legitimacy is not necessarily a democratic legitimacy.  As in the PRC now, it may not require electoral competition for executive and legislative power.   An "enlightened" authoritarianism, which was the standard in Mencius' own time, may be able to respond to popular needs, as now seems to be the case in Sichuan.  Indeed, a focused and centralized political authority may be able to act more quickly and effectively, at least for a time, than a slower and sloppier democratic system.  It seems certain that, thus far, the response of Wen and the central government has bolstered regime legitimacy in the eyes of many, many Chinese citizens.  The leadership is seen to be doing the right thing, and doing it with real care and conviction.   Mencian legitimacy can strengthen authoritarianism.

     But Mencian legitimacy can also work against authoritarianism (just as it can work against democratically-elected leaders who fail the test of serving the people, as is arguably now the case with Bush).  What happens if the grief of the people turns into anger against officials?  Might the people then demand that they should have a greater role in determining who their leaders should be?  If, as Mencius says, "Heaven sees through the eyes of the people, and Heaven hears through the ears of the people," then what should happen if the people claim a greater role in the selection of political leaders?  Heaven could come between the Party and the people.  I wonder what Wen would do then?

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17 responses to “Wen Jiabao is better than Mao Zedong”

  1. isha Avatar
    isha

    Why not compare Wen ( as the product and leader of a totalitarian regime )’s management of earthquake with Bush ( as a product of democracy and leader of the free world or a product of family dynasty? )’s management of Katrina? Didn’t the Bible says something like judging a tree by the fruits it bear?
    Actually, as a prime minister, Chinese people expect Wen to live up to the standard set by Zhou Enlai. Wen still have much to emulate with.
    As to Mao, there is simply no comparision.

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  2. isha Avatar
    isha

    BTW, I really wonder: if “The regime(China) ‘s legitimacy has shifted away from ideologyl to performance, away from Marxist rationalizations to the delivery of a better standard of living. Indeed, I would call it “Mencian legitimacy,” after the sensibility of Mencius, who continually demanded of rulers that they attend to the needs of the people. Ironically, “serve the people,” captures the Mencian spirit.”, then what is the legitimacy of the Empire? … the existence of money controlled voting process? …the distribution of captains of industries of oil and gas, blackwater, the commodities market specualtors?… the “performance of” bringing of loot and tribute from barbarians? … somebody help to enlight?

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  3. Zoomzan Avatar
    Zoomzan

    Isha,
    Usually, I enjoy reading your posts, because you seem to be wide-read individual. For instance, in one of your posts, you mentioned Marx as a apologist for British imperialism. This is very interesting, as I was recently skimming a book on the dissolute personal lives and contradictory philosophies of certain 19th and 20th century totalitarians.
    Unfortunately, your posts are often wildly irrelevant.
    Moreover, they usually raise the same points over and over again – e.g. that the US government also has faults, and that these faults are sometimes as grievous as, or perhaps even more so, than those of the Chinese government. I imagine that Sam, I, and other commentators are sufficiently aware of these things, as not to require further reminders.
    (I think repetitiveness is more problematic than irrelevance. Irrelevant posts can be good, as long as they are interesting.)
    Anyway, I’m just talking aloud here. Do with my suggestions whatever pleases you. I think we would get along better, though, if you consider them carefully.
    P.S.
    It is possible to be Chinese nationalist while supporting democracy. Many Chinese nationalists assume that they should by definition be anti-democracy, since it is a Western idea, but they are themselves Chinese. Isha, if you truly loved your country, you would consider what constitutes the greatest good for your people, rather than the unimportance provenance of ideas.

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  4. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Sam,
    … “genuinely caring attitude and good heart” ?? Wow!, no offence, but you are brainwashed by too much Confucian and Mencian Idealism. How about some Legalist Pragmatism instead? It’s not compassion or heart that will pull Sichuan through this crisis, but managerial ability, hard work and fear of punishment for failure that will bring back China’s most beautiful province. And Wen does seem to have these qualities in abundance, no surprise, since the CCP is made up of engineers and technocrats. If compassion and love for the people really worked when it came to fixing major crisis and disasters, then sub-Saharan Africa should be a paradise on earth after all these decades of bleeding heart Do Gooder-ism by the likes of Bono, Live Aid, Bob Geldof, Brangelina, western foreign aid agencies, religious charities, etc.
    Legalist punishment has no place in this situation? I beg to differ, the first thing Wen should have done is to have all the officials in the public works ministry responsible for building construction executed for their corruption/incompetence. Those responsible for the shoddy buildings are all complicit, officials, builders, inspectors, … the whole lot of them.
    And comparing Wen to Mao? … no comparison, literally, … just apples and oranges. Mao was of that generation of big personalities that has passed, perhaps never to return … the generation of Stalin and Hitler and meglomaniacs. For all these men, the lives of millions are meaningless when it came to their goals.

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  5. Sam Avatar

    Simon,
    Wow. You really are a Legalist! But Wen is not, and the Party leadership seems not to be basing their rule on Legalist legitimation, which, as you suggest, would entail public displays of harsh punishment, lots of harsh punishment. I’m not seeing that thus far. Instead, we have “Grandpa” Wen, who is clearly presenting a Mencian face. I take this as a conscious political strategy: the leadership believes that this is the best way to maintain legitimacy in the face of the crisis. But I also think this is more in keeping with Wen’s personality. Remember, he was with Zhao Ziyang in Tiananmen Square in 1989; he was against the military crackdown on the students. A Legalist would have sided with Deng and Li Peng and opened fire on the people. Wen didn’t want to.

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  6. stevelaudig Avatar
    stevelaudig

    I see a similarity between Mao’s reaction to the Great Leap Forward disaster and Bush’s reaction to the Katrina disaster. Both kept to their own “party line” were unable to perceive, or ignored or rejected empirical reality and kept the propaganda coming. Never thought Bush was a Maoist in this sense. This earthquake in an Olympic year may be looked back on as the can opener that took the lid of Chinese society and became the next step in the modernization project that began more than a century ago.

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  7. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Sam,
    I wouldn’t call myself a Legalist, as you say, it is a philosophy for a different time and place. But I do admit to the Legalist ‘persuasion’ so to speak. For me, above all, the ancient Legalists represented the Realist School of Thought, advocating what works and discarding failures, whether ideological, human, or spiritual. Some of my colleagues have accused me of ‘believing in nothing’, … on the contrary I tell them, I believe in results and ends, not means. That’s why monotheists such as the Jews, Christians and Muslims have always perplexed me, why still worship a deity that’s failed so often. Instead of crying out for a Savior, Messiah and Mahdi to come and magically fix one’s problems, how about improving yourself and fixing it yourself? For instance, with the Jewish God’s failure during the Holocaust, I would have punished this incompetent deity with the burning of all his striptures and the outlawing of his worship!!! That’s why I’ve always liked the differences in the traditional Chinese and Western Great Flood Myths, … instead of building an Ark like the prophet Noah, Yu the Great was a hydraulic engineer who organized the people into labor unites to build canals.
    I find that the Confucian/Mencian persuasions somewhat similiar and equally pathetic sometimes to the monotheists of the West. Reactionaries who stubbornly cling to old discredited ways, nothing wrong with that I suppose, when on rare occasions they happen to work and produce results.

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  8. Zoomzan Avatar
    Zoomzan

    Realism, as an argument against religion and mysticism, is contradictory. First, the realist claims that people who have faith are not realistic. He then advocates the abandonment of faith. Nevertheless, the truly realistic approach is to recognise that man is born for faith, whether Christianity or Islam in the West, or Confucianism and Hinduism in the East. There is no nation on earth which preserves its life and vigour without faith (and this respect, America is considered superior to Europe).
    Amongst the houses of the West, no people has accomplished more than the Romans. But Romans themselves testify that they succeed not on account of talent (wherein Greeks are superior) nor on account of prowess (wherein the Celts are superior) but on account of piety and devotion to ancient rituals.

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  9. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    Zoomzan, thanks for the response, but I’m afraid I’ll have to disagree with all your points.
    “… man is born for faith,”. Sorry, but faith is born of ignorance. When you get sick, do you visit the hospital and see a doctor, or are you into faith healing and prayer?
    “… no nation on earth which preserves its life and vigour without faith (and this respect, America is considered superior to Europe).” I’d definitely dispute this, piety and relgious rightousness certainly makes America more warlike than Europe. But as soon as America grows up and experiences the horrors faith and religion has brought to Europe (i.e Thirty Year’s War, WWI), then perhaps you’d change your mind.
    And don’t get me started on the Romans. To me, they are the West’s equivalent to the Mongols, only more destructive! They basically subjected the peoples of Europe to cultural genocide, the Celts, the Carthaginians (Spain), Goths, Dacians, Greek city states, Macedonians, Thracians, etc, etc, …
    “But Romans themselves testify …” I wouldn’t put too much stock in Roman propaganda. It was military genius (not to mention Numidian treachery) that allowed Scipio to defeat Hannibal at Zama. It was discipline and engineering prowess that allowed Caesar to defeat the Gauls, it was the tactical superiority and flexibility of the Roman legions that allowed Paulus to defeat the Macedonia phalanx.
    “… piety and devotion to ancient rituals” … boy, how Neo-Confucian sounding that is.

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  10. isha Avatar
    isha

    “To me, they are the West’s equivalent to the Mongols, only more destructive!”
    Simon, some points I beg to disagree:
    1. You are unnecessarily hurting some feelings here, since the current Empire was built upon the Rome model, and even for the enlightened intellectuals; they are the beneficiary of the Empire. That is why I guess nobody here is talking about the “legitimacy” of the empire;
    2. Pre-Rome Europe I (as to Carthaginians, I consider them to be an African or Middle Eastern power) don’t have much culture to begin with, at least in the scientific and technological sense of the word. Mongols, on the contrary, greatly interrupted the growth of the two greatest human achievements, namely, Song China and Muslim empire. Actually, Mongols made the crusade possible and the consequent we are still experiencing today.
    3. Roman architecture is supreme, I don’t know enough about Chinese architecture, but even Forbidden City looks shabby compare with the best of the Roman.
    4. You know what I consider the worst legacy of the Roman Empire? No, not the militarism, but the Roman law. It is truly barbaric and Shakespeare knew it.

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  11. Zoomzan Avatar
    Zoomzan

    Simon,
    We’ll have to agree to disagree.
    But on one specific point, when I’m sick, I do both. I would visit the doctor as well as pray.

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  12. isha Avatar
    isha

    Zoomzan:
    “Nationalism” as an English word is very much a loaded one. To my shallow understanding of this phenomenon, there is a defensive one and an offensive one. I support the defensive one and very much despise the one that advocate the imperial enterprise, which is offensive and self-righteous in nature. It reminds me that Zhou Enli once told a group of young American visitors that they should oppose the Chinese regime if China never goes imperialism (after his death). I was laughing out loud, thinking how silly, naive or boastful for Zhou to suggest that China could ever go imperialism, considering the material condition China was then… Now it seems that Zhou knew his country and people better than the shallow, silly and naive me… Let’s show my color by stating that I will oppose Chinese regime if they ever practice imperialism for whatever excuse ( even the humanitarian intervention !), if nothing else then it would bring internal decay sooner they it should come naturally.
    Isha
    P.S.
    Thank you for your creative suggestions. I guess any repetitive suspicions on the legitimacy and the pretension of the empire are not entertaining, not to say enlightening and shouldn’t be tolerated. It is a sentiment I can understand and appreciate.

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  13. Zoomzan Avatar
    Zoomzan

    Isha,
    Yes, “nationalism” is a very loaded word. And different people have very different understanding of it.
    In Sun Yat-Sen’s teachings, nationalism is one of the three pillars of Sanmin Zhuyi. He describes nationalism as a precondition for cosmopolitanism.
    I think this view of nationalism is close to your “defensive nationalism.” Most thinking people should not reflexively denounce “defensive nationalism” – otherwise, we might as well have surrendered to Japanese rule in WWII, and Wang Jingwei and his cohorts could be eulogised as “progressive thinkers who overcame their narrow ethnic prejudice concerning an imaginary line between Japanese people and Chinese people.”
    I think most contemporary nationalists are too narrow. By “narrow,” I mean that they view Chinese political and military interests as the sole aim of nationalism. Most Western political theorists call this kind of nationlism “state nationalism.” While their intentions might be good, state nationalists usually end up defending the government. When you defend the government as a general principle, you unwittingly work against the advantages of your own people.
    Suffice it to say, that I disagree with “state nationalism.” It destroys everything I hold dear, everything I perceive as beautiful.
    A man should not give his soul to an ideology. Instead, a man should have honour. And what is honour? Honour is the defense of beauty. It’s living the best, most virtuous life.
    Honour is the defense of family. It’s the love of one’s people, and the preservation of traditions. But honour is also hospitality for guests and kindness toward strangers. Honour means fair judgments and broad-minded tolerance.
    Consider this deeply – for what did most old-school Chinese patriots fight? They fought for the beautiful way of life in their home villages. Early on, very few Chinese patriots were committed Marxists. Marxism was merely a slogan.
    So why did things turn out so different? Fifty years of communist rule destroyed everything we loved. Our old culture was wiped out. Our folk customs, which we cherished, and which even foreign imperialists never tried to remove, were branded as superstitious and feudal. Correspondingly, they were suppressed.
    It’s too easy to blame the malicious nature of a corrupt few. No, the system itself is flawed. This system allows a few bureaucratic elites to dominate the life of every Chinese person. You can see this system at work in little things – from how they obsessively regulate writing and publishing, to how they demolish peasant land for shopping malls.
    It’s ironic how everything in China is labelled “the People’s” – such as “The People’s Supreme Court” or “The People’s Republic of China.” But in reality, everything belongs to a small circle of bureaucrats. By contrast, in the US, many things really do belong to the people, even without the label “the People.”
    Anyway, I’ll stop writing here. I’ve said too much already – opinions which no doubt appear immature in the eyes of more learned and wiser judges.
    Best of luck.

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  14. isha Avatar
    isha

    Zoomzan:
    Thank you for the very thoughtful response. It is interesting that I am totally agree with you that on :”It’s too easy to blame the malicious nature of a corrupt few. No, the system itself is flawed. This system allows a few bureaucratic elites to dominate the life of every Chinese person. You can see this system at work in little things – from how they obsessively regulate writing and publishing, to how they demolish peasant land for shopping malls.”… It is just how to deal with it… where is a model to solve all the human problem?
    As to the alternative you mentioned, I think this guy from Duke can express it better than me ( even though his harsh tone should never be tolerated by the polite society):
    posted 4/29/08 @ 12:48 AM EST
    Great post. Some Americans are just too naive. Call me brainwashed…how ironic
    Originally posted by
    To the Street Dumb “Free Thinkers”
    “Keep your eyes open and your mouth shut”. This is what wise men do. What I mean by “wise men” are not those who think that they have “freedom” to do everything ranging from streaking to freeing some heard-of third-world countries that they are unable to locate on maps. I mean people who think about REAL POWER, people who understand REALITY OF POLITICS, not some mere BLANK IDEALISTIC SLOGANS. I means the Rockefellers, the Coleones, and perhaps the Bushes minus George the Junior – perhaps I would argue that his superficial dumbness is just his trick to put his real cunningness under disguise.
    Okay, you, the AMERICAN PEOPLE, as you call yourselves in your constitution, verily you think that you are true masters of you nations, electing leaders of your national according to your general will? Holy feces, I can never imagine any convictions more naive than this. Obviously You, the AMERICAN PEOPLE are more miserable, in that you do not even know that you are much more brain-washed and hypnotized as to be unable to know the No 1 axiom of politics, namely that the People are always ruled by the Elite. We the Chinese are more lucky that even an ordinary peasant knows the fact that ordinary people are ruled by those influential, whereas you, the AMERICAN PEOPLE, know not.
    Oh, perhaps you may argue, that you can vote, that you can express your ideas freely, that you can do this, that you can do that. Okay, you can do these, but are they really efficacious as your grade school teacher taught you? You only have titular power and superficial freedom which the influential are but too willing and too happy to grant you, of course, with their bloody milk (oops, I mean oil) money to pay for necessary string devices, such as the media, what I call the mass stupidizing industry.
    Yes, I am educated by the best social scientists in your system, and I know a simple fact, that first, A nation by the PEOPLE is an ILLUSION in which among social scientists only those naive political philosophers would claim to believe. YOU the PEOPLE are institutionally outflanked, some of YOU, 10% perhaps fewer free thinkers are outflanked by those 90% stupid, fat (who do not even walk!), and ignorant TV watchers (Perhaps I am too harsh on TV watchers…) who do not even know that fact that Iraq is not a county of Texas! Yes, that’s your liberal and egalitarian all-representing election system – a system devised by those influential to entertain those so receptive and naive to believe in them. I know not what Jefferson, John Jay, Hamilton or other founding fathers of your nation would think of your present political system if they were still alive. Perhaps some would envy the fact that the current AMERICAN PEOPLE are so easily brainwashed by the greatest political invention of the 20th century, the stupidizing machine – TV box, which works best on the American People, and thus creating the most “free” brainwashing system on the globe.
    Open your eyes, you “FREE THINKERS”. What your are proud of – your free political system, is nothing special. It only pays for your fancy vanities with extra money went to those media bosses.
    “Democracy” is stable only because it bribes you the people, with some titular titles and boisterous fiestas every four years. Yes, you people are proud of these fiestas and titles and think other people without them inferior.
    Open your eyes, ye free thinkers! See what your proud political institution has down. Your political institution put into power the most greedy political cluster which has driven the entire global economy to the verge of total collapse, only to satiate into their lust for oil and blood. So free thinkers, tell me, you really thinks yours is a country of the people, by the people, and for the people?
    Yes, this brainwashed anti-free thinker may have be too verbose. So lets just stop here. One more quotation from the Godfather:
    -Kay: “Michael, you know how naive you sound? Senators and Presidents don’t have men killed!”
    -Michael: “Oh, who’s been naive, Kay?”

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  15. Zoomzan Avatar
    Zoomzan

    Isha,
    I can’t really go into a comprehensive discussion of the subject at hand right now.
    But consider this – in China, no one wants one-child policy. Nevertheless, a small circle of bureaucrats can impose its views on the entire population.
    Now, as you and I well know, the one-child policy is disastrous. It destroys the advantages of our people. It will maim our strengths for decades to come.
    In the US, this sort of thing cannot happen on so large and so comprehensive a scale. This is because the people can vote out the government.
    Second, in the Duke’s student’s post, he says that ten percent of American population, whom he considers freethinkers, are outflanked by the remaining ninety percent, whom he considers ignorant.
    Actually, this is exactly the way it should be. Those ten percent are the same people who want to impose social engineering on the entire population. They consider themselves enlightened, although their enlightenment only ever consists of the latest intellectual trend. In China, it’s the same ten percent which brought us fifty years of ruinous policies, which wiped out our people’s traditions, and which will continue to destroy our country if we let them.
    Anyway, I’ve got work to do, so I’ll hereby conclude my post.

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  16. Melissa Avatar

    I still so new to politics in China. I first got interested after picking up cultural historicals on life and politics in China like, “Return to Middle Kingdom”, by Yuan-tsung Chen. It helped my understand the origin of mondern China and politics in Peking as China emerged into the 20th century.
    And, her description and understanding of Mao Zedong certainly was educational. A lot of the comments here have very valid points, it really gets me thinking.

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  17. Chen Avatar
    Chen

    Mao Zedong is one of the greatest men in China history. Wen Jiabao is not a great man. He looks like a lovely dog of USA. It is very wrong to compare Wen with Mao. You make the great Mao smaller, and make the small Wen bigger.

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