I linked to this piece a couple of days ago, but now notice that it has caught the attention of some other big sites.  In coming back to it, I see it in a somewhat different light.

     What I am referring to is Alice Poon’s piece, "China’s Values Vacuum," which starts out like this:

For a nation whose
cultural values were more or less destroyed by the Cultural
Revolution, greed and corruption have become the name of the game in
China. Manipulation of others to achieve one’s goals is not
viewed as morally unacceptable, nor does morality have a place in the
nation’s scramble for economic success.

Look no farther for
proof of this than the Chinese leaders’ relentless, yet
unsuccessful, efforts to stamp out government corruption. Society’s
obsession with money, luxury brands, idols and celebrities reflects
the spiritual and moral desert the society has become.

     This is a fairly common refrain: Chinese economic growth and socio-cultural change are happening so rapidly, the nation is coming undone.  Whatever sense of traditional morality there might have been is being crushed under the rush to the new.  The kids are spoiled and rotten.

    We can hear the same complaints in other places as well.  It has been a standard conservative critique of the decline of the US – or even the decline of the "West" – for decades now.   People still blame "the sixties" for most of what ails the US now.

     I want to push back a bit.  There are at least two dangers in the "good old days were better" argument.  First, let’s not forget about the bad stuff that was happening in the "good old days."  In China today, the fifties are often remembered, or imagined, as the "good old days."  Back when everyone was "comrade" and no one really worried about money – wasn’t it just great?  Sure, tell that to the "counter-revolutionaries" or the victims of the "three anti" and "five anti" campaigns.  A great time was had by all!

    Revolutionary justice, you say?  But the revolution would soon veer off into the Anti-Rightist Campaign and the Great Leap Forward, the latter among the worst, most violent, abuses of state power in the twentieth century.

    Yes, there may be a lot of selfishness and greed in China these days, but let’s not pretend life was all that much better in the 1950s.  And we could push this back further historically.  The early twentieth century?  Not so good.  The height of the Qing Dynasty in the 18th century: great if you were on the top of society, rather difficult if you were not.

     Golden ages are never as golden as we want to remember of make them.  So why pretend that some reinvention of "tradition," whether it is Confucianism or Taoism or socialism, can somehow make us better in the present.

     There is a second problem with the "past was better" view.  We tend to ascribe personal qualities and capacities to nations as a whole.  "China is corrupt," "China is selfish," "China is decadent."  But "China," nor any nation for that matter, can never be summarized so simply.  There are a great many good people in China today doing good things, living moral lives.  While poverty and injustice obviously stalk the land, these cannot be taken as the only symbols of such a vast country.  I am reminded of some lines by Wang Meng, a writer who later became a bureaucrat (quoted in John Gittings, The Changing Face of China, p. 5):

You can make any number of statements about China and they are all true: Things are good, things are bad; China is quite developed, and yet also underdeveloped.  China has so many luxury hotels, malls, department stores, and restaurants…And yet at the same time, it is also possible to say that China is one of the poorest countries in the world.

 It is good and bad.  The point is to work to expand and enable the good while limiting the bad.  There are people with "good values" and people with "bad values."  Can we simply count them all up and announce some final score?  China’s good!  No, China’s bad! To what end?

     I say all this because I want to resist the reification of the nation, any nation.  Reducing and summarizing "China" into some string of adjectives that supposedly capture the "essence" of the place is the work of nationalists.  Chinese nationalists will put forth the good adjectives.  American nationalists will likely posit the bad ones.  In both cases the crude descriptions are driven by political agendas.  Better to let go of all that and open ourselves to the multiplicities before us.  If we don’t, we run the risk of repression – either repression of those facets of the country that do not fit the Party’s "good" narrative, or the repression (compression?) of our vision to see only the "bad."  In either case, we are missing much of the story.

     Look for the persons, the individuals.  They are the ones who will have good or bad values.  Nations are imagined, and those imaginings, in the service of one or another political interest, can never show us all we might be able to know.

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6 responses to “Nations Don’t Have Values, People Do”

  1. Kevin S. Avatar

    I think that a values vacuum does exist in China, but not in relationship to an earlier era, but rather in relationship to what China has the potential to be.

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  2. China Digital Times Avatar

    Nations Don’t Have Values, People Do – Sam Crane

    Sam Crane continued the discussion of China’s moral vacuum on his The Useless Tree blog: …… There are at least two dangers in the “good old days were better” argument. First, let’s not forget about the bad stuff that…

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  3. Lucky Avatar
    Lucky

    Communism destroyed traditional values. No one believes communism anymore, hence the vacuum. Plus, everyone was taught that capitalists are greedy people who cheat their customers. Suddenly, the government is telling people to be capitalist. Except they haven’t taught them how to be capitalist, so many people are just acting the way they think capitalists behave. Things are changing very fast, however, and getting better.
    The political system is totally corrupt. Most of the bad stuff is being done by people who have the power to do so. But…before, they were killing or exiling the counter-revolutionaries. Now they are stealing the farmer’s land to build a water park. Things are moving in the right direction.

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  4. Leo Avatar
    Leo

    I don’t think there is a value vacuum in China.
    Whenever a missionary approaching me, asking me, “Do you know the meaning of your life? Do you know where you come and where you will go?” I always tell them, “No, I don’t want to know!”
    I am not especially proud of being ignorant and remaining so, but I know better than let the wrong people teach me what they don’t really know themselves.

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  5. China Law Blog Avatar

    I agree with all that you say, but I disagree to the extent that you ignore the value of strong institutions, which, in a sense at least, belong more to a country than to its people.

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  6. other Joe Avatar
    other Joe

    I think the idea of a vacuum is nonsense, I don’t know any Chinese people of whom I could say ‘they exist in a moral vacuum’.
    But it is plausible to argue that certain kinds of social environments will encourage certain kinds of behaviour (which we may then lable ‘good’ or ‘bad’ according to our predjudices). Part of the reason for corruption in China is that people feel so morally bound to help their friends and family. (I’d probably do the same in a country like China, where many think their friends and family wouldn’t get a fair chance if they didn’t help them). Also I do think that there is less of a sense of community in the places I’ve lived in China than back in England. But then people are so mobile in China in a way that (in my experience) English people often aren’t, isn’t it only natural that people often don’t know and therefore care that much about their local community?

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