There is an article in the most recent Atlantic Monthly on the Catholic Church in China.  The piece centers on Bishop Jin Liuxian of Shanghai and the trials and tribulations he experienced in his long struggle to preserve the liturgy and faith under harsh repression.  For all of the respect he is due, however, there was one passage that raised some questions in my mind:

Jin had always seen similarities between
Catholicism and Chinese culture. Like many Chinese Christians, he was
attracted to the Gospel of John and its mystical concept of Logos—or
“the Word,” as embodied in Christ. “The Logos is like Chinese
philosophy,” he says, referring to the Tao, a concept sometimes
translated as “the Way.” Both the Tao and Logos, he explains, suggest a
rational order in the universe, though in the case of Catholicism, that
order is revealed physically in the figure of Christ.

     The concept of "Tao" is famously difficult to define.  The opening line of the Tao Te Ching tells us that the "Tao" that can be put into words is not the genuine Tao.  That is, Tao is something beyond our human capacities to understand and articulate.  Way is vast. Chuang Tzu also mentions its elusiveness:

Tao has its own nature and its own reliability: it does nothing and has no form.  It can be passed on, but never received and held.  You can master it, but your can’t see it.  Its own source, its own root – it was there before heaven and earth, firm and constant from ancient times.  It makes gods and demons sacred, gives birth to heaven and earth.  It’s above the absolute pole, but is not high.  It’s below the six directions, but is not deep.  It predates the birth of heaven and earth, but is not ancient.  It precedes high antiquity, but is not old. (87)

    We can see a bit of a parallel here between Tao and "Logos".  Both precede creation: in the beginning there was the word; Tao is its own source.  And both invest heaven and earth with meaning – Tao makes gods and demons sacred; and God’s word, for John, provides ontological security. 

      But, and with all due respect to the Bishop, there are fundamental differences between Tao and Logos.  Tao cannot be articulated; Logos obviously can.  Indeed, Logos is precisely the will of God made manifest in such a manner that humans can – or, at least should – understand.  Tao has no form.  It can be "passed on" – especially through our daily engagement with immediate circumstances, the way we "dwell in the ordinary" – but it cannot be received or held.  In other words (however imperfect words may be for expressing Tao), in all of its indistinctness, Tao cannot be reduced to a consistent set of ideas or precepts that apply universally to everyone everywhere.  Obviously, the whole notion of a "catholic" church, which claims to be the one true church, rests on a belief in the universality of Logos.  Tao just doesn’t work that way.

      So, the "rationality" of Tao – the complex unity of all things unfolding according to their unique individual natures simultaneously now – is not really a rationality of Logos, which rests more in the mental processes of human minds.  As Joseph Needham describes it, as quoted in Mote (p. 16), the cosmology of Tao is "an ordered harmony of wills without an ordainer."  There is, then, no  Taoist need for a personification of God’s order in Christ.

     Bishop Jin, like some many of us who think about Tao, found there something he was looking for.  There are ways in which Tao resonates with various Christian ideas.  But it must be said, just because philosophic Taoism can be made, by human minds, consistent with Christianity does not mean that Taoism is inherently Christian.  It is not.  It has been adapted to Buddhism and Judaism and other belief systems but is always something more than any of those orientations.  And that is OK because Way is vast….

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9 responses to “Is Tao Like Logos?”

  1. JustSomeGuy Avatar
    JustSomeGuy

    I dunno. If you look at things like the Celestial Masters movement and their eschatology, it becomes quite Christian-like (though there are obvious differences). Also, it is my understanding that “Dao” is often used when translating that Biblical passage. So, his confusion is understandable. Whose Dao, which Daoism, yada-yada-yada, you know the drill.

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  2. The Western Confucian Avatar

    When Matteo Ricci, S.J. translated the Gospels into Chinese in the early 17th C., he used the word “tao” for “logos.”
    If I’m not mistaken, Chinese bibles still say, “In the beginning was the tao…”

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  3. Angela Avatar

    I enjoyed the book “Christ the Eternal Tao” which said much the same thing.

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  4. The Cloudwalking Owl Avatar

    Oddly enough, I had breakfast today with a friend who is the spiritual advisor for her Christian Church. She was having a bit of a spiritual crisis because she was finding it hard to continue believing in the Christian worldview that she was used to. Specifically, she finds it hard to believe in a beneficient God who knows and cares about people. Instead, she sees that the Gods treat people like “straw dogs”. Moreover, she finds it hard to believe that ultimately people are more important than anything else (she mentioned the molecules in the table that we were sitting at.) She had gone through a family crisis and found that the only thing that got her through the experience was the conscious act of breathing deeply, calming her mind, and, instead of casting her life at Gods feet (her previous way of doing things) embracing the ultimate emptiness of life.
    Ultimately, I think that if someone is living a truly religious life (instead of being a mere pew-sitter or careerist) they are constantly wrestling with what they do, what they believe morphs incessently, and, their core beliefs are almost impossible to articulate. I think that most seriously spiritual people eventually give up trying to explain what it is that they are doing.

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  5. Bewildered Academic Avatar

    This is an interesting idea. A “first-mover” argument about how the universe works would seem to be compatible with the notion of Tao. In other words, God is the first mover and everything created follows its own unique individual (albeit divinely ordained) character without further intervention. In a Christian ontology, Logos would always exist prior to Tao, whereas Tao is prior to everything in a Taoist ontology.
    However, I am not sure I entirely buy the argument that the rationality of Logos depends on the mental processes of human minds. Even though the world is supposedly rational according to God’s plan, that does not mean that we humans necessarily understand it. In the first chapter of the Book of Ecclesiastes, for instance, the author laments that “All things are vanity! What profit has man from all the labor which he toils at under the sun? One generation passes and another comes, but the world forever stays. The sun rises and the sun goes down; then it presses on to the place where it rises. […] What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing new is under the sun.” Ecclesiastes suggests a life of futility, and though Tao and God (Logos) differ in their ontologies, there appears to be a distinct similarity in how humans relate to them. One cannot grasp Tao or capture it or understand it, even though it permeates everything. Likewise, it is impossible for humanity to fully comprehend God, who also permeates everything. The sole exception (and where Logos differs from Tao) is divine assistance, when God chooses to reveal Himself to humanity. For example, in Matthew 16:15-17, Jesus asks Peter, “Who do you say that I am?” Peter replies, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God”. Jesus replies, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my heavenly Father.”
    Ultimately, then, what seems to be at issue is not so much the sort of rationality that Logos and Tao have–they are both at a similar level unknowable by humans–but rather the SOURCES of that rationality (and, by extension, the possibility of humans knowing it given some sort of extra-corporeal assistance).

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  6. Sam Avatar

    Bewildered,
    Thanks for the great ideas…
    Perhaps you are right: there are similarities between Logos and Tao. I have noticed other ways in which Ecclesiastes resonates with Taoism: to everything there is a season…
    But, I would still point to the differences. It may be more than a matter of the sources of rationality, but, also, the expectations of how much we should even try to understand. The very fact that the Bible speaks of the “word” suggests both an effort by God to make some significant portion of himself sensible to human beings, and an attendant possibility (maybe even a duty) for humans to understand what they can of God. Taoism is more skeptical on the capacities of human understanding, telling us to “give up learning and troubles end.” We should not consciously try to understand Tao because, precisely in that conscious act we will miss it. As such, there is no such thing as a conscientious Taoist, while there is a conscientious Christian – one who consciously reflects upon his conscience.

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  7. Dave Martin Avatar
    Dave Martin

    Western Confucian sounds correct. As best I can tell, Matteo Ricci and his fellow Jesuits were an impressive bunch, and probably should be read more by Western Christians.

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  8. Abraham Kambanopoulos Avatar
    Abraham Kambanopoulos

    i think a translation for the word Logos as ratio makes more sense…In the beginning was the ratio…

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  9. charles ross Avatar
    charles ross

    Just as many Asian cults appropriated the word Tao, many middle eastern cults appropriated Logos. I think if you work back to the roots they are a little more similar but it still seems that Tao is by the Dao de Jing’s definition a more encompassing idea than Logos.
    Surely some of the chinese and the greek old boys were on parallel tracks:
    “the Dao that can be said is not Dao”
    “he who knows does not say and he who says does not know”.

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